In 1992 I became involved in this work following my interest and research into a notorious murder trial that was held in Oregon many years ago. If not, why not? Background details that you might want to know about Robert include: ethnicity is unknown, whose political affiliation is none; and religious views are listed as unknown. I do not declare her innocent. WTF? They lied about the ballistics. The rest of the family? The whole blog claims the trial was flawed. No matter how much Ive read, or how many of her constant at the time interviews I watch on YouTube, the things that come from her brain to her mouth never cease to amaze me. The police admitting on the stand that after 2 weeks, they stopped looking at suspects appears to be a fact. I never found a photo of James C. Jagger online. I personally disagree with that practice but it is common. Diane nowhad the title ofdangerous offender. And it is not like these two were white as snow. Seems like she was her worst enemy. I actually do not know what really happened. Is it just to continue to punish her so long after she is obviously no longer a danger in any way to anyone? I almost felt bad for her.that being she seemed so lost in her lies..she just hangs in limbo now. It sounds pretty fair to me. CANDLE HAS BEEN LIT CANDLES HAVE BEEN LIT, We are reviewing your submission. Teams of people and detectives combed the area for months looking for the gun but it was nowhere to be found. Devoting ur life to taking down a dead author is a waste of ur talents. Yes, Im sure this stranger wanted to kill her kids but only wound her, who, coincidentally, had a towel handy neatly folded on her wound. I look forward to reading your other blogs. Diane was diagnosed as being bipolar and subsequently diagnosed by a psychiatrist before sentencing. Steve also told police that Diane was still obsessed with her ex-lover Robert Knickerbocker, who had eventually put an end to their torrid love affair. Not in this case. It would not benefit you, my children, or society for me to perpetuate that lie. Tis why at 10 years old I was hearing about this case in Ohio, and family members talked about it around me.it hit with great force that way. Mr. This blogger thinks that if you had bothered reading the blogs that you just mentioned, you would know that I do not call anyone innocent. Her attorney, James Jagger, did a poor job for Diane. And if she did it, she has served her time without displaying any violent tendencies whatsoever. On May 30, 1983, the McKenzie-Willamette Hospital Chaplain told Dianes father to hire an attorney because the State was going to take his grandchildren away. The lousy men in their lives never took a hit because after all, it was these witches fault. Anne Rule might have inflamed the case with her book Small Sacrifices and her theory of the crime, but in reality, the case of Diane Downs was no small sacrifice. It does seem time has done worse to her. I have no idea how the social workers and county attorneys justified doing their due diligence in preserving the family (mandated by law) when they were in court. But in their defense, they were told at trial what gun was used by Diane to shoot the kids and it must have been very difficult to overcome the emotions brought on by the words of little Christie even if it was pretty obvious during her testimony that she was confused and unreliable. Yes, I usually answer the emails I get about the blogs. Mrs. Fredericksons concern for her daughters emotional state was well placed. The two mental disorders that cause excessive talking are Bipolar Disorder and Schizophrenia. He needed, now more than ever, to vacate the area asap. By the time the incident had happened, it seems as if the two had parted ways, with Diane becoming obsessed with him. The Parole Board had an obligation to parole Diane between 1998 and 2002 if she could provide reasonable cause to show she was not a danger to society. Her arm was severely damaged, so shattered that she needed a graft from a hip bone. She claims the 13-year-old boy was also shot with a BB gun and taunted with racial slurs during a sleepover. Let others know about your loved one's death. Leave a memory or share a photo or video below to show your support. For Downs, this was the last straw in a series of culminating disappointments in her life. Due process always matters. We dont know what the Hugi family was doing during this time, probably seeing the kids regularly and getting licensed and approved to take the kids home with them. Isnt is odd how something we are exposed to as children can stick in our memory? I know several people who know or knew both of the surviving children as well as Diane. But if you compare the time she was seen by the witness to the timing of her arrival at the hospital, it seems to indicate she went pretty fast, butnone of it was explained ordemonstrated properly. She wanted a lawyer to defend her vigorously but the judge stopped her from getting good representation. Only the people who present ongoing threats to the safety of the public in general are the ones this sentence is reserved for. I cannot be more transparent than that and integrity was one of the missing pieces of the entire case. My guess is the grandparents were so overwhelmed with Dianes case that they let the system take care of the kids at first. I say these things if I were on the jury. Considering that the marks on the lethal bullets did not fit the bullet fingerprinting found in the rifle, this gun switcheroo was a good save for the state, but did not support the theory presented at trial either. Her children were obviously more severely injuredbecause being captive in the car while a shooter aimed at them gave them less of a chance to wiggle out of the situation than an adult outside the car. Instead of grieving, Alice went partying and had sex. Hi Nanette, it is not a matter of being gullible. Expand the Memories and Condolences form. If you shoot at least 6 inches from a victim, you see what is around you in the car. It is not, nor should be, a Conflict of Interest for a caring adult to Foster one or more siblings. Why? Foote ruled in favor of the prosecution and against the defenseon most of the admissible evidence questions including all the nurses notes about Danny talking about a man shooting him but admitted Christies reports about her mother shooting her. . Her next parole hearing will be in 2020. What about the affidavits of the guy who confessed to several people? The children had a father. I try to remain objective in spite of the media storm depicting the case in a certain way, which is not accurate in every aspect. There is also a recording where she says that she had no idea who shot them. You simply are a rude individual looking for a reaction. Go reading US: The American Gulag, 26 Mar 2009 Exploding prison populations in the US serve a basic need of capitalism. Without the media blast and rush to judgment from the police and DAs office, we might have uncovered the truth. The board said that her mental or emotional disorder makes her a danger to society. Most people described Dianes injury as minor or superficial but in reality, it was a very serious injury. So should I put an addendum saying that Diane contradicted herself or was not satisfied with the sketch? My opposition to movies about true crime stories is unshakable. Are her parents still living (I know they were a few years ago)? Their goal was to make Dian look crazy, because sane people dont shoot their children. Page 6 of Case History. What would have been the conclusion to have drawn without this hate campaign? Moreover, he apparently told her that he did not want children and this statement alone would seal Dianes fate. Then they just got shut out. Page 26 of Case History. She never mentioned that before, and she doesnt mention the FBI agents name. Open ended sentences like this are meant to provide a means of control and public safety when considering dangerous offenders who may pose a continued risk to the public. Except after the idea was subsequently planted in his head only to be alluded to in court, in spite of an agreement to never mention the subject. A. I was still living in the house, yes, sir. I think it would give the blog more integrity and transparency. As an adoptive parent I cant even imagine trying to justify to my daughter our adopting her if we had in any way been a part of the case to terminate her from her bio family. It was demonstrated at trial that the shooter shot the kids at close range. Its a dangerous proposition when a lack of due process becomes acceptable because they know she is guilty. No. So when Dr. George Suckow from the Oregon State Hospital in Salem was called as a States rebuttal witness and he made a professional diagnosis of Diane as histrionics, antisocial and narcissistic, he openly said in court that he interviewed Diane for 1 hour and read evidence presented by the state to make his diagnosis. Her parents Willadene and Wes were old school Baptist parents who raised her under strict guidelines without much warmth but complete devotion. To Lisa Griggs Much worse. The children were in the hospital, it isnt like they could have taken them home. None of this is EVIDENCE of anything in regard to the murder trial, and not once did I read that it was. She was harshly judged because of her demeanor. Robert has lived in a mobile / manufactured home in Tucson, AZ with Christian. You may leave a message for the family by clicking here. But strangely, they took no photos of the crime scene and did not lift fingerprints from the drivers side of the car. I might not have put enough information to your liking, but I stuck to what came out at trial and not the fantasy factory coming from the state, the media and Rule. Nobody had any reason for a conspiracy of this magnitude over a literal nobody. It was such a high profile case and she was found guilty by the media and the court so people are afraid to touch this one. In fact, what investigator Tracy had written in his notes is that the heart monitor jumped because of excitement or intense fear. Is. Ruger #14-76187; described as the gun used by Diane and belonging to Steve Downs, was not the murder weapon. No excuse there. Diane found with him, the kind of relationship she had never known before: there was actually care and intimacy involved. She says she was outside the car n watched the man shoot her children n then the only adult n person who could tell police about him only gets a shot in the arm n takes time to bandage her arm. A demonstration in court strongly suggested: Suggested, not confirmed. Too bad she did not interview Diane or her family. The prosecutor and his wife adopted both children that survived and although the boy is paralyzed and in a wheelchair, they trived with their new parents. It may take up to 1 hour for your comment to appear on the website. This was the prosecution and conviction of (Elizabeth) Diane Downs who has now been incarcerated for too many years in one of Californias (overcrowded) State prisons. The next day, on June 16, 1983, CSD terminated Dianes visitations with her children altogether. Page 10 of Case History. Despite the arrival of two daughters, Diane and Steves marriage was unstable, and Diane would often take the kids and leave their home, but would always eventually return home to Steve. That doesnt make it true. Where to begin? They already had made up their mind that Diane was the perpetrator so they laughed off the idea of the bushy haired stranger. The problem was that they could not find the gun anywhere and they had nothing on Diane. Kumbaya my Lord, Kumbaya. What about the facts of the case? She always seems to have not a very close contact with reality. As a result, he decided not to attend the rest of the trial. Diane Downs had an affair with Roger Knickerbocker, a married man while she lived in Arizona. please express them and I will print them. It had nothing to do with the evidence of the case and represents useless labeling anyway. According to Downs, they had visited a friend in the nearby town of Marcola and were driving back to Springfield along a lonely stretch of highway. And once again, considering that she was diagnosed as bipolar, did not help her cause. I agree. They were the small sacrifices. Just state that at the beginning of the blog. So how she behaved at the time, should not have been a factor influencing the authorities. But I would not know what her state of mind is because I did not witness it. The strong, emotive language. She did diagnose her as suffering from cyclothymic disorder and treated her accordingly. No worries. The underlying basis of this article. To the authorities, it was a ridiculous notion that they would not entertain so they did not follow on numerous leads coming from people who had seen someone corresponding to that description. so which one is it????? Picture 2, Downs in ; Picture 3, Robert Knickerbocker entering the courtroom with his wife Charkene and sheriff's detective Doug. Maybe that her mom was obviously not well after spending her life in prison so it would have been a good idea to meet the Downss family quietly and get the jest of it. In the 1996 Federal Petition, you can find the Anatomy of Brainwashing that can answer any question on this subject. . They should have taken their timeto investigatethis case thoroughly and without prejudice. I know better now than to accept blindly the truth presented to us on a silver platter by the media and the judicial system. If the media was anything at the time it was favorable towards her. He said all the police needed was for Diane to bear witness against her ex-husband. If you think you would have more influence arguing for better relationships with Mexico at a Donald Trump rally in Mexico, why bother? On June 20, 2001, mother of five Andrea Yates drowned her children, who ranged in age from six months to seven years, in the bathtub at her home in Houston, Texas. Grief researchers say holding that missing funeral service, even a year or more later, can still help us heal. If I feel that due process was violated, I will go there anyway. Her quest for love had landed her into an unstable and loveless marriage. (Appendix 81, page 1466). She was judged very harshly for her character and her defense was dismal. I will change it. But you dont mention that she again has changed her story.. (Page 3) After Diane got divorced from her husband in 1980, she had taken up a job at the U.S. postal service office, and thats where she first met him. He was buried at burial place, Arizona. Did u learn nothing?? Christie was born in October of 1974 and Cheryl Lynn in January of 1976. They had high hopes for Dianes future and this bad boy was not part of it. If you read the blog, it is because of the lie told by prosecutor Hugi that ignored the assessment of her therapist Dr. Jamison and was condemned by the psychiatrist that they were convinced to find her guilty. Id like to challenge some of the bloggers claims. Charlene would call Diane at all hours of the day and night to threaten violence if Diane continued on with her husband. I am not sure. The Lifetime channel constantly makes movies based loosely on the truth; this approach is an effective weapon aimed at swaying public opinion about high-profile cases. I lived through the media coverage. Send flowers or a gift to a service or family's home. Hugi did not want that. It sounds like Diane was trying to tell her to stay away from bad influences. Robert resides in Tucson, AZ with Deborah. But you dont mention that she again has changed her story. Aint no one gonna tarnish my guys lol. Clearly the social workers were working with the DAs office and taking advice on best interest of the children from them. Authorities confirm former fugitive, Leticia Smith was extradited from Mexico to California. She keeps her emotions under tight control, presenting only socially acceptable feelings and burying other contradictory feelings.. Hugi got the evidence needed to convict after numerous meetings with Christie. Washing soda is your best bet: It includes, among its ingredients, the exceedingly corrosive carbolic acid. ), years in solitary confinment Whats wrong with us?! They hated her attitude and thought she was promiscuous and showed no sorrow or remorse. Ann Rule has always been sensationalist, and her books were almost unreadable at the end of her publishing days. (LOL!! How about dads side of the family? Ask them what they did to a good man. Considering that the daughter she murdered will never get a second chance, it will never be long enough unless its for her entire life. This was all logged in Christies hospital reports and is found in the Appendix of the petition filed in Federal Court in 1996 in the section Hospital Reports.. No way. Her 7-year old daughter Cheryl died but her 3-year old son Danny and her 8-year old daughter Christie survived. Foster Carers says either Australia or England to me. Lives in Dallas, TX. Other Locations Watertown, NY Scottsdale, AZ . When a white attractive woman like Diane Downs appears on the scene while displaying seemingly unpleasant characteristics as a mother and a personality disorder, there is no telling what the media will do with the story. There were a few calls and on one occasion, The most frequent remarks I hear about the case when confronted by the state misconduct and the lack of evidence are gut feelings , So the hell with no gun, no GSR, no blood and no witnesses except a sick child who denied knowing who shot them until she could not anymore and happened to be adopted by the prosecutor; making it look like she could never change her mind and reveal that she has no memory of the shooting and maybe have the case reversed. I worked for county government child welfare for a decade. Or can have an accomplice. Why would anyone think Christie could remember the night of the shooting anyway?? (Appendix 3). Hello. Even prosecutor Fred Hugi was seen walking the grounds to try to find the weapon. My opinion of why Mr. Hugi adopted Christie and Danny was to seal their lips. You cannot skip due process because of mob mentality. Robert is related to Linda Knickerbockerpowell and Elna Mae Knickerbocker as well as 3 additional people. Tucson, Arizona, United States. Something that would never stand in court now. She also underwent a gun residue test that same evening that revealed no trace of gun powder on her hands. Maybe because of her notoriety and the victims were children. It turned out to be a mistake because he was married to a County Circuit Court Judge who would become a colleague of Foote and he had no intention of defending Diane vigorously. Ur not showing facts that Ann Rule lied n misled n ruined lives with. While Rules book is biased, it was a look into the view of those who wanted justice for those children, wether you agree w/ their conclusion or not, that was their goal. I found nothing. The previous video you sent me shows a Jagger pretty animated and involved in the defense of his client. Of course buying drugs with three kids in the middle of the night from a guy like that is not the mindful thing to do, but would be more consistent as an explanation for her actions. When Dianes youngest daughter, who was adopted after being taken away by the state, found out who her real mother was and decided to reach out to her, the media and Rule grabbed hold of her to promote their agenda. May be the guy who says he did it. It always feels like punishment at all costs. The whole family were co-conspirators and involved in the crime? For more on this case, watch the "Fatal Attraction" episode of Investigation Discovery's Deadly Women on ID GO now! It is not a plus, but it is not a crime either. What is known for a fact, is, Prosecutor Fred Hugi took physical custody of Christie and Danny shortly after Christies confessions to her school mates, and he officially adopted them in the summer of 1986. 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