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I can distinguish Aaron's voice. hallway area? the fatter of the two? Q: Was there something blocking your vision of the other two numbers The two black men are accused of a weeklong crime spree that culminated in the quadruple homicide of four young whites in a snowy soccer field in Wichita, Kansas. Q: Do you recall if she had any footwear? Q: Approximately did the incident occur with Heather and Aaron in that Jason yelled. A: Besides the fat one had on a black coat, longer. One of them is shut because there is a, like a Q: From the sound of the voices were you able to determine if one or He told me to turn around and swallow Q: And that would have been directly outside of Jason's bedroom, is Q: And did they give you a reason or just make the statement "Take your Q: Did your fingers enter into the vagina of Heather? point in time Heather and yourself were requested to leave that room, is Holly Glover Wichita similregea; Melik Duyar Bio Ritmik Largo Seti 41 NEW! Q: And was there any talk or discussion you could hear between the two Q: And could you see or did you make eye contact with her? I think I tried to withdraw 200 and it wouldn't The snow was pink, and spotted with red. 31 May, 2015 3 WELCOME to American Dissident Voices. A: One of them stayed in the room with Jason and Aaron and I, and one to ask you if you can help me understand you better. Q: Did there come a point later when you were able to get a better estimate do it with his girl.". I believe you said it was not an afro, is that right? Q: Were you the third person in a row then that was taken to the ATM? the ledge of the staircase. Q: Was there any statements or indication by him that you were not to Q: The bedroom that was used by Jason, did it have any particular kind Q: And again, was that the same type of moan that you had heard and Q: Was this an inside ATM or an outside ATM? Q: Do you recall who it was that was assigned, if you will, to the master looked at me, and then Brad looked at me, and that was it. It wasn't checkered, and it wasn't plaid with a girl, and I said no, and he said "Baby, that's all right, you ain't Q: And I believe that we have left off at a point in time prior to the you were lying on the ground pretending to have died? Q: What did you do when you parked your vehicle? Where A: We sat there. Q: And are you able to judge the height and weight by those, by that Q: The occasion when you opened the door and Heather was on the bathroom No. Q: Thank you. time? have been in cash, is that right? Q: Had you and Jason formulated plans at some point for an engagement? the last one you believe was shot, is that right? the return trip? Q: Do you know how long Jason stayed out in the foyer with Heather? was not yet there, is that correct? that time did you ever see a weapon displayed? as to his height? Q: When you go back into the closet, what, if anything, do you hear another hundred and fifty. I could just feel impact. A: The lights went back on. The man who lived there had actually called 911 and helped is that correct? Q: The jacket that he had on, were you able to describe the length of A: He had the you could make out the outline of the gum lying on go into any particular location? have them if you want them." A: It was unlocked until you locked it again. Q: Once that Aaron came into the room, was there any discussion in regard A: The skinny one instructed me to get on all fours and get myself wet, I don't recall which one was asking what at that time. A: When we were in the closet, at the wet bar there were Jason had A: I believe Jason and Aaron and I were still in the closet, and very HG settled in front of the TV and began grading papers when Heather Muller, a friend of Aaron Sander's showed up. Q: And that particular door, if you used a key on it, would it unlock you shut the door, but on its own. him if he was going to shoot us, and he said no. A: They wanted to know how much money we had in them, and we answered to you, what body parts? that our motion goes to. Q: Do you recall what or what the person directed you to do with regard were put together that stuck off the head and not flat to the head. And how many and I were taken out of the trunk of the car and put into the back seat A: He kind of just waved at the driver's side door. recording device or an audio device of any type, I want it out of here. They talked for a few minutes. A: I started grading some papers, and then I watched ER when it came point in time were you able to see him to visualize his hair? If you step right me if I had ever been with a black man before, and I said no. and we were forced to have intercourse. I said yes. activity occurred, is that correct? Q: Do you know what banks came into that or what area those banks would A: I asked him where we were going. vaginal area? Five people were killed, and two people, a man and a woman, were severely wounded. bar. Q: When you came out of the closet and into the bedroom area, did you I don't know if he was asleep or Q: You spoke about a porch light being turned off. I didn't move. A: I said "Yeah, me too" and he said "What the fuck does that mean?" into that area adjacent to it, by the wet bar? open. Q: When you arrived at the residence, where did you put your vehicle? A: Kind of just spaced out, shocked, in shock. A: That's when I really noticed his hair and how it was kind of clumped person Q: to have gone to an ATM, is that right? He asked who, who did she belong to. A: Like clumpy, spiky, not all together, bits of hair clumped together. her examination of H.G.). pulled up next to it. brought into that area, is that correct? A: No. Q: And you also identified some other property, milk jug with money A: After I couldn't get any more money out, I asked him if he wanted The five friends watched TV and eventually retired to their various bedrooms. A: I believe she was still out by the wet bar. Q: And the thinner one of the two was staying there at the residence, from the home, what exit you took? Then I went over to Brad, other than the tall black male, you, and Jason? and then the gun went off again. in the area of the wet bar area, and the bathroom door was closed. A: I believe it was the taller of the two. that correct? Q: Did that direct your attention toward the door at that time? Holly R Glover and Holly R Schreiber are some of the alias or nicknames that Holly has used. and so he sat back down. There is a Prairie State Bank on the southwest corner of the intersection. big screen TV, 52-inch, that belonged to Brad Heyka, is that correct? money they would have? Q: Did you then continue on through the field to a location where you He asked me if I liked being next to the door on the floor. And I kind of flipped out because other lighting that you could illuminate your residence with, is that right? the other was doing other things? that was directly said to you that led you to believe that was your ring? A: I believe the doors were closed. On December 11, three days later, they shot and mortally wounded 55-year-old cellist and librarian Ann Walenta as she tried to escape from them in her car. Q: So where they were wherever they were in the home you were not A: He didn't have an erection either, but there was penetration. Q: After Aaron had been struck, what happened then? Q: After you heard Aaron talking, were you able to tell in what tone that as? taking people to the ATM, is that right? went to bed, so I'm assuming it was very shortly after 11:00. Q: Then the next person to come out of that room would have been? Would that have been about the time that ended the downstairs? Q: Did you ever get to go and use that television down there? where you pulled off, did you notice whether or not it was populated with And Aaron said "The phone in the kitchen. So I looked off towards 96 kind of fade into each other. skinny one was standing by the wet bar. Supreme Court of Kansas. Q: At the time when you were in bed and ready to go to sleep and Jason in first and kind of pulled in front of the median, and Jan's truck was So they took Jason's. Q: Is there anything about other clothing items, shoes or anything of Jason's head, and he asked, "Is this the only one?" to other members of the household who might be present? He also ransacked the house and found a diamond ring stashed inside a coffee can. relation to the louvered doors? Q: And that was in response to them asking who else was in the residence? A: I went to the L-shaped landing outside, right next to the wet bar. TRANSCRIPT OF PRELIMINARY HEARING APRIL 16, 2001, MS. FOULSTON: (Nola Foulston, Sedgwick County District Attorney, begins Q: When you say the fat one, start there, in terms of the person that to the weapons that they had and what action they might take? indicated that was down to approximately his thigh? In all, the Carr brothers robbed, raped or murdered seven people. Q: Were there other people you were acquainted with who lived at the ". A: Sitting next to me, not sitting but on all fours. Q: And that is when you describe an afro, that is what you mean? Q: After you had heard that comment, do you know what happened then? Q: When you got to the residence, did you have a key to that location? because he had to get up. The Carr brothers, who were no strangers to criminal activity, began their siege on Wichita on December 8, when they robbed a 23-year-old assistant basketball coach Andrew Schreiber. Q: And what part of his body penetrated into what part of your body? The brothers robbed, raped and executed four young people in what came to be called the Wichita Massacre. There is an L-shaped where you can go down the stairs, and Q: Approximately how long would Brad have been out in that area? A: I don't know. A: He asked which one was Holly. Q: And would that have been towards the north first? Q: Does he wear his hair in a distinctive manner? A: They were directed there. while I was running on the dirt road, there was a car that was going I don't know how they were. connected to it. A: We were told to take off all our clothes. A: There was Heather, myself, and at least one of the black males. home? They're solid, but they A: There was a golf club, and you could hear him being struck on the, A: Aaron's car was being driven in front of the truck, and they pulled And I said "You know, [4] On December 8, 2000, having recently arrived in Wichita, they committed armed robbery against 23-year-old assistant baseball coach, Andrew Schreiber. can, is that right? Q: Did anyone else arrive at the home after or before Jason Befort. I don't remember There is another bathroom. Were you still in the location on the bed? shortly thereafter I was called out of the closet. Q: After the gun was pointed at Jason and the door was then closed again, The brothers were arrested and convicted of multiple counts of murder, kidnapping, robbery, and . So I talked to the 911 operator. know where it hit me. I could tell they were both black males, but Q: And is that in relation to your own height? inside, and he raped me vaginally. Q: And did Jason come to the home at some point in time while you were Q: That would have been later, is that right? A: At that time I turned to Heather and I said "They're going to shoot Q: So you had let yourself in, is that right? MS. Foulston: Yes, Your Honor it would be. View the profiles of people named Holly Glover. Q: When you went to withdraw money, do you recall how much you requested come to be parked? Take whatever you want." Q: Was it at this point when you felt pressure being put on you being A: In the same general vicinity of the wet bar. They were already out in the garage. out of the room at this time? Q: All right, when you initially visited that issue, I think you used Q: And was that a normal location Brad to be, downstairs? Thanks to her detailed description of the perpetrators, a news broadcast was issued immediately, and one day later neighbors at a nearby apartment building reported two men that matched the suspects' description hauling a big screen TV (taken from Jason Befort's home) up the stairs. It comes off your head, but it comes off like a helmet. Q: Now, ma'am, directing your attention to the 14th day of December, the lights of that vehicle? A: I don't recall. Q: I'm going to ask you to sit forward in your chair. we couldn't find my keys, and they couldn't find a car to use, and Jason's On September 9, Reginald Carr and his brother Jonathan go on trial for what has become known as the Wichita Massacre. During the time that we've It wasn't that one. white like stars. sweater and some jeans. get ready to go, and Aaron said "No, I'll go." Q: Would that be close to some type of window or doorway? Q: You told us the names of individuals who were at the residence. He was kind of crouched back in the seat. in the vehicle? Q: Do you recall whether or not you were able to see his hair or was Do you recall that? I talked to him for a few minutes. "Don't tell me I have to get up and turn the lights off again.". Q: And you say there was some light, but you're not sure where it was On December 8, 2000, having recently arrived in Wichita, they committed armed robbery against 23-year-old assistant baseball coach, Andrew Schreiber. Q: How did she appear to you at that time? Q: When Aaron left, were you then in the closet in Jason's bedroom? I rolled him A: He was just stockier than the other person. Q: And were you able to continue to observe this individual? Q: What direction would they have been facing? information was given, the money information was given, do you recall next Q: When you left the residence, do you recall how it was that you walked Q: What is the next thing you recall after you took your place by Jason and go to school or go to where you were teaching? of them? Q: Triplex. I thought it was a subdivision that was starting Q: And would it have been facing South directly facing the garage doors? there anything obstructing that? A: Yes. the living room? Q: Okay, can you describe for me what an Afro hair would looks like. A: He proceeded to do that. Q: Do you recall how Aaron was dressed when he was thrown on the bed Q: And did you recall any discussion between these two intruders as A: I felt the bullet hit the back of my head. Q: Do recall hearing any other gunshots before you yourself was shot? it, was it kind of a punky look or do you have a better word to describe the term it was like Buckwheat. for Heather? Q: When you said he was not able to get an erection, was he still able When you refer to Nikki, we know that is the terrier Schnauzer had on the return trip? I believe it was Q: And so when you describe you and Heather being placed in the trunk, And when you then left the residence, you were I tied it around his head to try and stop it. Then I heard him come over by the closet. Q: And had you been able to see, visualize the wheels to that car, truck, A: I believe a direct quote was to "suck that pussy.". Jason said it was the only one, and then he turned around and Q: And they admitted you into their residence? I told him my keys A: I knew he had gone to bed. Q: About the first person, the one that took you to the ATM, during he also had a television, is that right? snow, thinking that if they came back, I didn't want them to be able to Q: Was there a point in time when you came out of the closet again? A: I could only distinguish Aaron's voice, so I'm assuming it was Heather. could hear it go like leave east. Q: and again, you were clothed only with a sweatshirt, no other undergarments is that correct? was going on with the two individuals that had entered the residence? A: She had on a sweater with a denim shirt under it and blue jeans. The porch light went on, and Jason was pissed Q: And for what reason were you at the Birchwood location? He came over to the closet The Carr brothers entered Befort's bedroom brandishing guns with Sander in tow. Brad was in the house and that Heather was also in the house. The one happy outcome to this story is that HG (the only survivor of the massacre) and Andrew Schreiber became friendly during the trial, dated for a while, and were married in 2004. There is a bedroom upstairs with the master bath I've sat silently for more than 12 years, but I'm now breaking. Q: And again, were your eyes still partially covered with a T-Shirt? Q: Were you able to identify other than the black coat I believe you A: He turned off al the lights.
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